California stupidity

spidernut · Post by **spidernut** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 12:29 am

Did you know that in the Great State of California, you cannot convert a carb'd '79 to fuel injection even though it would:

1. Reduce emissions
2. Increase fuel mileage by 10 mpg
3. Increase horsepower

I asked our experts here at Cal EPA. I was told "because it was not a State approved modification."

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.K.

So Cal Mark · Post by **So Cal Mark** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 9:38 pm

The reasoning is that there's no way to guarantee that homebuilt systems will be clean enough. That's why any mfr that wants equipment approved has to go thru the certification process just like the car mfr did. It may seem like a no-brainer, but think about your neighborhood shadetree hobbyist designing his own emission systems.

spidernut · Post by **spidernut** » Thu Jan 26, 2006 11:12 pm

I asked our Cal EPA goobers about adding factory fuel injection from an 80-81 Spider. I was more than happy to have them inspect and emissions test it....they said a definitive "NO". It didn't come equipped that way, so I can't convert it.

Of course, they said I could do a complete engine swap and have it tested as the appropriate year after their inspection process. I'm not sure if they're dumb, or just dumb.

So Cal Mark · Post by **So Cal Mark** » Fri Jan 27, 2006 12:22 am

there is a chart of which year engines can be swapped into each year car. but just imagine if all 30 million car owners in Cal decided to fabricate their own emission systems. And inspecting it doesn't mean it will be clean under all conditions

Mad-Machine · Post by **Mad-Machine** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 9:14 am

spidernut, I was going to bring up that small loophole in CARBs rules. Buy a later fuel injected engine, rebuild it, and swap it in with the injection.

spidernut · Post by **spidernut** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:05 am

Art,
They recommended that too. I just can't see doing an engine swap since mine has 36,000 original miles on it. It shows me how short-sighted they are. It is the same motor with a different fuel and exhaust system.
You'd think they'd jump at the chance to have me reduce emissions and save fuel given our energy crisis and concern over the environment. I have a hard time believing that EPA doesn't have a database that specifies the differences and similarities between model years. It would be the same information they use and require mechanics to look at to see if there had been a mechanical modifications.
I'm just griping anyways.

So Cal Mark · Post by **So Cal Mark** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 12:27 am

when you try to get an engine swap certified, engine numbers have to be verified. That said, there isn't a reason you couldn't surface the stamped number and restamp it. You wouldn't be the first to do it

spiderrey · Post by **spiderrey** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 5:14 pm

mark, shouldnt u be working?

So Cal Mark · Post by **So Cal Mark** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:58 am

check the post time! I can't work 24/7

120 volts · Post by **120 volts** » Sun Feb 19, 2006 5:25 pm

all I have to say is thank God I live in Ohio where I dont have to go through all of that emission crap!!!!!

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