Finally getting things back to where I want them to be in order to drive to FFO later this summer.
Installed new control arms and A/R lowering springs at the very end of last driving season. Alignment wasn't done right by a shop in December, but I knew I would address it at the beginning of this year in March/April. Also decided to get Koni Yellows and install them before the revised alignment.
Unfortunately a control arm mounting bracket failed because of a bad weld. This was immediately addressed by Auto Ricambi and very professionally handled. Could not ask for more!
A day after picking up the car from the control arm repair and the new alignment job a control arm mounting bolt failed (where it attaches to the cross member). Not sure if it was because the mech hadn't left enough thread through the bolt, or if it was it's time anyway. Thankfully it happened at a stop sign. Had it happened under braking at highway speed it could have been catastrophic, sheering off the rear bolt, too.
I had to put in longer mounting bolts. I will probably do the same for the right side later this summer to allow for more camber adjustment. Now that I know what I am doing I could probably perform it much more quickly and not actually take off the lower control arm like I did the first time.
Vid of the failure
Vid of my repair
Eating pasta during a break while reassembling:
Thanks to my lovely daughter that brought it out to me and snapped the pic.
Did the alignment on my own by hand. Totally don't trust the shop to do it right after their work the last time. Not sure if it's right, but it generally drives straight and steering doesn't feel too light or heavy. Might have it re-examined by a different shop if I put on longer bolts on the other control arm, too.
Next project: new header. I could feel a draft under the old one, it was loud in the engine bay, and I could hear valve ticking from the exhaust leak.
New unit is now installed. It definitely gives greater power. Maybe it's because it's less restrictive, or mainly because the old one was clearly not efficient any more because of the leak (exhaust pulse would be all wrong). I was also was getting an overheating problem with the old unit (head must have been getting too hot for some reason). I was thinking about chasing down rad issues, but it immediately went away with the new header installed.
New sound is very different (less pops and bangs on lift-off which were an awful sign of the leak, but fun anway) and is much growlier. It sounds especially good when opened up under throttle, even at highway speed.
Things are finally right enough that I could spend time adjusting headlight beam angles rather than major issues. That's a good sign.
Tried to paint the rear boot with Plasti-dip as a colour test. Bad idea. Slightly uneven, not really the colour I was hoping for, and the product left some bubbles which look awful. Will try and rip off tomorrow.
Cheers,
phaetn
Two failures. One success. Finally getting it sorted...
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When you have a major exhaust leak the potential is to run lean and hot. Still might be a good idea to put a gas analyzer on it and check the exhaust gases under load to ensure they are correct.
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Phaetn,
Header looks awesome and it's a good (safe) feeling once you've completed the suspension.
For paint I used these guys in Ottawa for a color match spray can.
http://max-auto.ca/
I think it cost $24 for 1 large spray can. Took about 2 days to make. They used a special camera to match the paint on the car. Color is not perfect but good enough for my daily driver. Went on well but I'm not an auto body/paint guy. If you're at the Italian Car parade thingy on Saturday I'll show you. We're going to be there.
Richard
Header looks awesome and it's a good (safe) feeling once you've completed the suspension.
For paint I used these guys in Ottawa for a color match spray can.
http://max-auto.ca/
I think it cost $24 for 1 large spray can. Took about 2 days to make. They used a special camera to match the paint on the car. Color is not perfect but good enough for my daily driver. Went on well but I'm not an auto body/paint guy. If you're at the Italian Car parade thingy on Saturday I'll show you. We're going to be there.
Richard
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Good update Phaetn. Much better than a drive by "how's the Spider?" on Montreal Rd
Hope you guys can also make it on Friday night for the welcome Celebration at the ICCO tent at Scotia Bank parking lot (425 Preston, across from Pub Italia) at 9:00 p.m. It was a good time last year.
If not, we'll see you on Saturday. So far the weather looks great.
I guess I should wash and vac Angelina...
Hope you guys can also make it on Friday night for the welcome Celebration at the ICCO tent at Scotia Bank parking lot (425 Preston, across from Pub Italia) at 9:00 p.m. It was a good time last year.
If not, we'll see you on Saturday. So far the weather looks great.
I guess I should wash and vac Angelina...
Dan
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everything & everyone is looking good. Be there Saturday morning
Jay
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Yes, I think that's what was occuring. I figured it would be lean from an intake leak, but was surprised about the effect from one on the exhaust side.DieselSpider wrote:When you have a major exhaust leak the potential is to run lean and hot. Still might be a good idea to put a gas analyzer on it and check the exhaust gases under load to ensure they are correct.
At least I was smart enough this time to wait and fix the exhaust first before I started messing around with the rad.
I'll definitely see you gents on Saturday. Not sure about Friday night as I may have my elder daughter in tow.
Cheers,
phaetn
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Re: Two failures. One success. Finally getting it sorted...
Hi, from North Idaho. Where I might add, I can't find anyone that will do a front end alignment. No computer hook ups or whatever. You mention shims and they walk away laughing. So you did your own aligning. How. Do you have a book resource, General knowledge, etc. Would try doing it myself but have no idea where to start. You have some tips, then I would appreciate a personal message. Thanks
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If you perform a search you'll find the details:
Here's one bit:
http://www.fiatspider.com/f15/viewtopic ... 14&t=33272
Basically the camber should be at 0°, which you adjust by an equal amount of shims front and aft on the pivot bar of the control arm (loosening the bolts that attach it to the crossmember, which itself is bolted to the frame rails). You can buy various tools to do that (see above).
Castor is adjusted by varying the amount of shims front and rear, thereby moving the position of the lower ball joint. I don't know of a good way to measure this...
Toe is adjusted via rotating the tie rod ends and should be 3mm toe in (measured by marking half-way across the tire tread from one front wheel to the other, and comparing that to the rear of the same tires).
I hope that helps! There are pics in this forum from the workshop manual that give specifics as to measurements, torque settings, etc. I would suggest checking out the "suspenion" part of the forum and begin reading there.
Cheers,
phaetn
Here's one bit:
http://www.fiatspider.com/f15/viewtopic ... 14&t=33272
Basically the camber should be at 0°, which you adjust by an equal amount of shims front and aft on the pivot bar of the control arm (loosening the bolts that attach it to the crossmember, which itself is bolted to the frame rails). You can buy various tools to do that (see above).
Castor is adjusted by varying the amount of shims front and rear, thereby moving the position of the lower ball joint. I don't know of a good way to measure this...
Toe is adjusted via rotating the tie rod ends and should be 3mm toe in (measured by marking half-way across the tire tread from one front wheel to the other, and comparing that to the rear of the same tires).
I hope that helps! There are pics in this forum from the workshop manual that give specifics as to measurements, torque settings, etc. I would suggest checking out the "suspenion" part of the forum and begin reading there.
Cheers,
phaetn
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Re: Two failures. One success. Finally getting it sorted...
Just be mindful that the suspension geometry on the Spider changes drastically when you sit in the car and laden it. When unladen the wheels toe in and when you laden it they start to tow out so if you align it to the laden specs you will have inside wear on your tires and a car that can wander and brake erratically. Some try to compensate for this by adding caster which can make the car more difficult to steer. Alignment must be done with the tires supporting the car and not when on jack stands.
That is why you may hear the tires chirp when driving on roads with heaves in them as the front wheels toe out as the suspension compresses and then toe in as the car gets light coming off the heave.
That is why you may hear the tires chirp when driving on roads with heaves in them as the front wheels toe out as the suspension compresses and then toe in as the car gets light coming off the heave.
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Re: Two failures. One success. Finally getting it sorted...
Good tips, thanks Dieselspider.
So far mine seems to steer straight and I haven't noticed any abnormal tire wear so far in about 2,000 miles. I'll keep an eye out. Steering isn't too light or too heavy, but maybe I've just become accustomed to the change.
My one issue seems to be steering that can sometimes feel like it's loose and then suddenly gets tight right around where there stops being centre play. It's almost like sometimes it binds and other times not.. It's not the camber, as it's not consistent.
I suspect either an issue with the steering box (I have a replacement if needed, but won't be able to get at it unless I have the engine pulled) or maybe worn front bearings that are not true. They sound okay, but once seemed to hang a bit when the car was on a hoist. I'll probably change them in the next few weeks and see what happens...
Cheers,
phaetn
So far mine seems to steer straight and I haven't noticed any abnormal tire wear so far in about 2,000 miles. I'll keep an eye out. Steering isn't too light or too heavy, but maybe I've just become accustomed to the change.
My one issue seems to be steering that can sometimes feel like it's loose and then suddenly gets tight right around where there stops being centre play. It's almost like sometimes it binds and other times not.. It's not the camber, as it's not consistent.
I suspect either an issue with the steering box (I have a replacement if needed, but won't be able to get at it unless I have the engine pulled) or maybe worn front bearings that are not true. They sound okay, but once seemed to hang a bit when the car was on a hoist. I'll probably change them in the next few weeks and see what happens...
Cheers,
phaetn
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Is the box full of gear lube? Many times its because the cross shaft was set too agressively to eliminate free play when the worm/recirculating ball shaft needed to have its end play adjusted at the input collar. I've seen some actually wear off the end of the worm shaft by over adjusting the cross shaft on the old style Saginaw and New Process boxes from the 50's through 70's.