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maytag
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Now with full exhaust.... but more work to do.

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Hey y'all:
so I took my car for a spin today, first time since getting the exhaust completed from mark's header back to the rear of the car. The motor is very, very rich, 'cuz trying to tune the carbs while holding my ears wasn't working :lol: but she's a screamer! :twisted:

However:
In two blocks, I shredded a "new" clutch. I'm not sure why. I've got the new flywheel from Miller's Mule, and I put in the newest looking clutch among the ones on my shelf, with its associated pressure plate. For the life of me, I don;t know why it'd bust apart like it did (there are chunks of it in the bottom of the bellhousing where the cover plate bolts to it)
So the trans is coming back out.

and while I was under, I discovered that both front calipers seem to be weeping. I'm not happy about that. I'll chase it a bit, to be sure where they're leaking. I replaced the hoses with Mark's braided hoses, so maybe I've got a problem there? I dunno. I'll look it over closely.
In the meantime: I also wrapped the header, and got a few more things buttoned-up.
I've done all of this in a few minutes here and there, because I still can't find time to really buckle back into it. there are too many other things pulling me away right now. As I type this, I'm in the garage replacing motor mounts on the benz, and my son is waiting for me to help him with Shocks on his car, and I need to do door locks on my wife's car, and ball joints on the benz. plus I've got a bathroom remodel in my basement that I haven't started and needs to be done before school starts in a month, and a cover over the deck that needs to be done before snow flies.
I'm scared I may NEVER see this thing done... let alone get to the 'other' car. :?

So I'm trying to enjoy ANY progress, no matter how small.
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I'm no Boy-Racer..... but if I can't take every on-ramp at TWICE the posted limit.... I'm a total failure!
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Damn, what a bummer. Sounds like you may need to hire some help to free up a little time.
Dennis Modisette

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I don't recommend wrapping that header, it will drastically shorten the life of the header.
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I would remove the screens you have on the carb horns, as they create terrible air turbulence and seriously reduce HP. All "mesh" type filter/screen designs do this. I have seen as much as 5-10 HP difference on a dyno on the coupe, which basically undoes much of the the gain you get from IDFs. Better to go with a lunch box design, by far.

The same goes for the "Ram Flo" designs as well. These are the ones that look like a turtle shell and have a foam element. Alvon did some runs on a dyno with and without these filters on his IDF equipped motor, and can tell you what the HP loss was, as I can't remember. But it was immense.

Also agree with Mark on wrapping the header. If it is one of his, it is already coated.

Looks like a well done engine - keep us posted!
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I agree with y'all on the mesh filters. they're on there right now as a temporary solution. Since it sounds like you've done your homework; tell me what you've found works well? when you say "lunch box", what are you referring to?
What about the tall foam-type?

As for the header-wrap; we've discussed this on other threads, ad nausea. In the end, I've agreed to disagree with y'all. Based on my own, first-hand experience, with many types of headers on many types of applications, this will be just fine. I don't know what is different in my header-wraps from y'all who feel otherwise. or environmental differences, or driving habits, or ???? But I've never seen the problems y'all have described associated with header-wrap.

So let's agree not to argue this one again... and we'll see how this one fares, shall we? :wink:
if y'all are right, then I'll tell ya so.
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Header wrap, my personal experience:

On my race cars, my fiat I used header wrap on one set of my headers, I had 2 identical sets, the wrapped set cracked and broke after a fairly short time. The header material (pipes) became brittle, I assumed it was from the heat being held in, and not let to cool as they would with air flow. I did not do a metallurgical test. I replaced the headers with the second set, exactly identical, did not change the engine or the mountings, the second header worked for 5 years, and I still have it 20 years later.
Again, I’m not arguing, just giving my personal experiences.
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c'mon y'all.... I really did not want this to turn into YET AGAIN another thread about header wrap! :roll:

I know, I know. I've heard all y'all's stories. and I have told y'all all my own. and I'm not going to be too proud to say so if y'all turn out to be right. But my own (not insubstantial) first-hand experience with header wrap over the years is in disagreement with your own.

fer cripes sake! :?
I can't believe we're doing this again. :roll:
I'm gonna edit the photos above, and see if we can get back on track, huh? :lol:
I'm no Boy-Racer..... but if I can't take every on-ramp at TWICE the posted limit.... I'm a total failure!
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I Prefer ITG Air Cleaner have used them in the past on IDFs
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maytag wrote:c'mon y'all.... I really did not want this to turn into YET AGAIN another thread about header wrap! :roll:

I know, I know. I've heard all y'all's stories. and I have told y'all all my own. and I'm not going to be too proud to say so if y'all turn out to be right. But my own (not insubstantial) first-hand experience with header wrap over the years is in disagreement with your own.

fer cripes sake! :?
I can't believe we're doing this again. :roll:
I'm gonna edit the photos above, and see if we can get back on track, huh? :lol:
c'mon y'all < u from the deep south. or Utah :roll:
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