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124cso wrote:Remember that if you change the valve timing (cam lobe angles) you will need to have an ECU that matches the new setup or your injectors will keep squirting at the old (and now incorrect) timing.
Normally this means getting the ECU out of the (probably lancia) that the cams come from.
these ECU's are batched timed, all 4 injector fire at the same time and very limited to any tuning, the better option would be to get a programmable ECU, budget would be Megasquirt, higher end something link Haltech.

If I had to do it again and I had a low comp motor that was in good condition , I'd put on a turbo (with inter-cooler) and a programmable ECU.

Keep in mind chasing horsepower is addictive then there is always the add ons, 131 gearbox, stronger or LSD diff, bigger brakes.....
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Once you start playing the HP Game then it can start getting expensive. Better rear axle to handle it, upgrade the drive shaft, beef up transmission and clutch, cross member reinforcements, stronger rear axle trailing arms, engine torque straps, beef up transmission mount, box/ladder bracing frame, etc.

These are nice little fun to drive 40 year old cars that did not fare well in Northern States where a high level of road salt was used so many have different levels of corrosion on the under chassis from that. A bit of caution and reserve is needed in making them more spirited to drive.
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I aimed my smart phone camera at the dash and recorded a 0-60 run on the highway. The resulting video showed @14 seconds for my stock '77 Spider with 32ADF carb and my inexpert driving. I believe Fiat claimed @11 seconds. I did this as a means to quantify the improvement for an upgrade to the 34ADF. Stay tuned as I haven't made that test yet.
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Using the "Digital Speedometer" app on my smartphone, I recorded 11.0 seconds 0-60 in my slightly modified 1977 1.8l Spider. Port-matched head, 4-2-1 manifold, electronic ignition, otherwise stock with 78k on the clock. Single run, slight wheelspin on start, shifts at about 7000 rpm.
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I was (until health issues intervened) a passionate Ducati motorcycle rider -- both street and (more occasionally) track -- for many years. Maybe that influenced my judgement, but I early on accepted that the Spider is not about speed, but about about style and, simply put, "fun."

Yes, you can boost its HP some. But never so much that'll be anything other than "slow."

And also to be considered is the affect modification have on reliability (already mentioned), and drivability.

An on the boil motor requires a quick and smooth shifting tranny to be any fun. My Spider's 5 speed has been one-hundred-percent reliable -- not a universal truth among owners -- but quick and smooth shifting she is not. No, she is more what one would expect of a `60s or `70s vintage tranny -- slow. Benefiting from `60s and `70s style shifting with double clutching and short pauses for the synchros to do their thing.

Yes, I suppose that tranny performance, too, can be upped some. But again, why?

The fact is that the 124 Spider was never designed to be a performance car. Just a fun car. Spritely and entertaining.

All that said, put her on the right road -- something with twists and bends, with sunlight flickering through the trees -- and she will be more fun than many true performance cars.

A good friend of mine has a classic "whale tail" Porsche. He is a rather highly skilled track driver. "Heel and toe" and all that. But when for a while we had scheduled evenings together it was he who suggested that we stop alternating between our cars for our evening outings. The Fiat was just, in his words, "more fun on these roads." Two-lane roads.

He had also found the same to be true for his, sadly by then sold, MGB.

"You feel like you're going fast at 45 or 50 in those" he said, after one such back-road drive. "In the Porsche you don't unless you are doing twice the speed" - something clearly dangerous (due to blind corners) as well as illegal.

My goal from the onset was to make my Spider run well. And that she does.

Yesterday the wife and I did about 100 true "back road" miles. Some on familiar roads, others chosen by curiosity. "Wonder where that leads too?"

These roads average about 45mph. Slow, tight, corners come often -- a few marked as low as 15mph. No traffic. And as important -- no traffic lights. Some smooth as glass, others, alas, not so much.

The Fiat eats them up. They are where she truly feels at home.

Want "fast"? Buy something else.

Anyhow that is one owner's opinion. :)

-don
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Yep, its more fun to drive a slow car fast then to drive a fast car slow. Top down on a lazy snaked tree lined back road or along a curvy shore line and the fun begins with the 124 Spider. When I took my brother out for the first time in mine he was just grinning almost ear to ear from simply stopping for an ice cream cone and driving some back roads at the posted speed limit. A gallon of diesel and two $1.25 ice cream cones gave a pretty good return in fun on a $5 bill that evening. No DUC just a small Aprilia which also gets the job done and gives me the same trifecta of car/bike/wife.
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One fun thing I like to do is, when leaving the highway, enter an exit ramp at a normal speed, with some impatient ahole on my rear bumper, then hit the gas and leave the perp far, far behind. They usually come up to whatever stop light or sign there is at the end of the ramp with an odd look on their face, having been a few hundred yahds back during the entire process. :wink: These cars are great in those somewhat swept, sorta tight turns at speeds around 55-60mph, which is what I find I can do the 30mph ramps at.
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RRoller123 wrote:One fun thing I like to do is, when leaving the highway, enter an exit ramp at a normal speed, with some impatient ahole on my rear bumper, then hit the gas and leave the perp far, far behind.
Yeah, I used to like to do that too. Especially when the on-my-tail driver was in a Vette or a Porsche.

Of course that was with me on the Ducati. And as often or not they were close, not actually to 'ride my tail' but so they could hear the Duc's glorious sound.

Maybe that's why they're biting the tail of you Spider. ??? We tend to take the Italianesque sound of out cars for granted. Other's don't. It blows them away.

I have a mid-30s guy living in one of the cottages on my property. He loves sprightly cars (with a special fondness for "Minis") but the sound of my Spider absolutely blows him away.

Yesterday he asked if I'd rev her a couple time upon my return from our weekend drives just so he could hear her. :)

-don
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I get followed a bit with either vehicle. I get comments on the sound of the Spider despite the diesel and on the Aprilia 250 most times they want to tell me how fast I was going and inquire how I squeezed a 750 into such a small bike. Some get rather upset when I tell them its a 250 especially when they were having trouble keeping up while riding their 650cc to 1 liter bikes. Then they want to know more about the bike and I usually get "Oh thats like a Ducati" when I tell them its an Aprilia which is an Italian bike. Makes it more fun for me since its a Sport Scooter with 15" wheels and not a true motorcycle. The kids who chase behind have a look of shock when they see that what they thought was a Sport Bike was really a scooter and are further shocked when the helmet opens and they see a senior citizen.
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Needs pics of the Aprilia!! :)

I'm on vacation so am just posting nostalgic pics. :)

Here is a Vespa that I upped from 145cc (a Super 150) to about 180cc, put on a bigger carb and performance pipe, installed an electronic ignition, had it ported and polished as part of a rebuild, and installed a banded clutch. Also put on 10" wheels rather than the original 8" and went with a tubeless design for safety rather than the original split rims, which also allowed bigger brake pads (still both drums front and rear, operated by cables). It was a four speed with the gear selector being on the handle where the clutch handle is.

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More pics here:
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Ignore the red Spider pics. That's the first one I ever looked at to buy and ran away from it quickly because of the rot.

Back to the Vespa: It sounded awesome and motorcyle riders were always giving me double takes as they thought it was a bike based on speed, power, and riding position, plus that spare wheel in the centre that almost looked like an engine when passing by quickly. I think I had it up to 60mph once, but it was most comfortable around 50mph where it was in a sweet spot for power and cruising and got be back and forth to work every day three seasons of the year.

A great ride, but I got rid of it for around $4000 after I blew it up. After the porting the clutch let go because it couldn't handle the power. It quite literally flowered open under centrifugal force and that's when I got the banded one after all the metal bits were cleaned out.

I decided at that point that I really needed a bike, and turned a '72 Honda CL350K4 into a café racer.

I bought it like this:
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and turned it into this with clubman bars, rearsets, new signals and brake light, upgraded rectifier, etc.:
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(The last two are before the rearsets and led to a slightly uncomfortable riding position where I was hunched forward with knees jacked up. It was way better once I got my legs swept back!)

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Damn that was a good bike! I sold it because my wife is terminally ill and I cannot afford to get hurt on a bike because we have two young daughters. I sold it for at least a $3000 loss, but I knew the temptation to ride it would be too much if I kept it in the garage!!

Show me your Aprilia!!

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I saw a number earlier in the post but suspect the 79 will be about 11.2 0-60. Not a good year for a stock spider as far as performance unless you strip all the emission stuff off and let it breath. I have seen an 82 with modified flywheel, cam, pistons, head, fuel injection system compete with a modern day Honda at 7.2 sec 0-60.
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Phaetn, I am so sorry to read about your wife's illness. Must be so hard! And I commend you for your choices. Hard, too, I am sure.

When my wife Jan and I married by in the Spring of `69 all we had -- and had had during our months of "courtship" (A funny description for two rock n rollers playing together in a band!) was a motorcycle.

When we married we at first kept kept it -- even used it (New England! through the Winter -- until my son was born. Then I sold it for the same reason you sold yours. I owed him a dad. Only got back into bikes after he went off to college. Then had another 20+ good years of motorcycling.

All of that is now past. (My health required it.) But I treasure the memories -- and the opportunities that came with it.

As my forum name -- "Duceditor" -- suggests, "Ducs" were big in my life. I started and ran some clubs -- editing (thus the name) and writing for the websites. Then went on to write for the company itself -- Ducati.SpA -- in Bologna.

Some reposts from my column ("Back Road Musings"): http://duc-bz.github.io/BACKROAD.HTM

That part of my life is all over now. But life is like that. We accept the sweet and not so sweet as part of 'the bargain,' hopefully thankful for the good, with quiet acceptance of the rest, and joy always (or almost so).

-don
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Amen, Don. We all face so many challenges. My wife is back in the hospital again, seriously ill. But it looks like she will be home by the end of the week. Hang in there and God Bless, Phaetn, it is a journey for sure, we here are all praying for your wife and for you and your family. Being the primary caregiver is unbelievably difficult, it just never stops; 24/7. Very stressful. But these silly little cars help a lot. :) Think I will head out to cruise tonight in fact!

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Hang in there, Pete. I'm sorry to hear about Jeannie, but glad that she'll be home soon to loving arms.

Be good and enjoy the cruise!

Cheers,
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